(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:56 am
Post subject: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing Obje Archived from groups: microsoft>public>word>drawing>graphics (more info?)
I have a lot of PowerPoint 2007 slides, and I frequently need to copy some
graphics I did into Word 2007. I select the group of shapes or objects I need
to copy to Word and cpaste them on my Word 2007 Page. Unfortunately, the
object get pasted as "Microsoft Office Graphic Object" that have a very poor
quality and cannot longer be edited in Word as a native drowing object. Under
Paste Special, in the AS: box, the "Microsoft Office Drawing Object" format
is no longer available. This makes Copy and Paste from PowerPoint 2007 to
Word 2007 totaly useless if you need quality and "editability". The only way
is to paste the whole slide as "Microsoft Office PowerPoint Slide Object",
but this is a very bad workaround, because I ususally need just a part of the
slide. Under Office 2003, everything was working like a charm!
The craziest thing is that it works when pasting Word 2007 objects in
Powerpoint 2007!!! If you create a text box in Word 2007 and copy/paste it in
Powerpoint 2007, the obect remains a text box in Powerpoint! But in 99% of
the cases, you need that in the other direction: from PowerPoint to Word. Why
did Microsoft removed this essential interoperability feature???? Or am I
missing something???
(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:01 am
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing Obje [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Hi Jacques,
The MS Office Art graphics engine (aka Escher 2) is new to MS Office 2007 and while fully implemented in Excel and Powerpoint is
only partially implemented in Word 2007 for backwards compatibility with the MS Office Drawing/Graphics engine (aka Escher) still
available in Word
MS Office Graphic objects are Escher2,
MS Office Drawing Objects are the older Escher.
You can use Insert=>Object to embed a PPTX file into the Word document to be able to edit it via Powerpoint.
Shapes from Word 2007 can be pasted into and worked on in Powerpoint 2007
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<<"Jacques" <Jacques DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BA7F9CAC-0F8F-41A1-B7B8-18065726A93A@microsoft.com...
I have a lot of PowerPoint 2007 slides, and I frequently need to copy some
graphics I did into Word 2007. I select the group of shapes or objects I need
to copy to Word and cpaste them on my Word 2007 Page. Unfortunately, the
object get pasted as "Microsoft Office Graphic Object" that have a very poor
quality and cannot longer be edited in Word as a native drowing object. Under
Paste Special, in the AS: box, the "Microsoft Office Drawing Object" format
is no longer available. This makes Copy and Paste from PowerPoint 2007 to
Word 2007 totaly useless if you need quality and "editability". The only way
is to paste the whole slide as "Microsoft Office PowerPoint Slide Object",
but this is a very bad workaround, because I ususally need just a part of the
slide. Under Office 2003, everything was working like a charm!
The craziest thing is that it works when pasting Word 2007 objects in
Powerpoint 2007!!! If you create a text box in Word 2007 and copy/paste it in
Powerpoint 2007, the obect remains a text box in Powerpoint! But in 99% of
the cases, you need that in the other direction: from PowerPoint to Word. Why
did Microsoft removed this essential interoperability feature???? Or am I
missing something??? >>
--
Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP
*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:22 am
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Hi Bob
Thanks for your answer, that's also what I found in the mean time: But to
me, it is just scandalous, because this is a feature we used every day in
Office 2003 and before, worked well, and is no longer there in Office 2007...
And we just need it! Inserting a whole pptx file object is really not a
workaround... Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
not "drawing object" in the clipboard??? PowerPoint can work with both
format, so this would be a good solution for the interoperability with
word....
So once again, I'm very disappointed and quite angry... My 250 scientist
will refuse to work with Word 2007, just because of that...
Thanks anyway for your answer...
"Bob Buckland ?" wrote:
> Hi Jacques,
>
> The MS Office Art graphics engine (aka Escher 2) is new to MS Office 2007 and while fully implemented in Excel and Powerpoint is
> only partially implemented in Word 2007 for backwards compatibility with the MS Office Drawing/Graphics engine (aka Escher) still
> available in Word
>
> MS Office Graphic objects are Escher2,
> MS Office Drawing Objects are the older Escher.
>
> You can use Insert=>Object to embed a PPTX file into the Word document to be able to edit it via Powerpoint.
>
> Shapes from Word 2007 can be pasted into and worked on in Powerpoint 2007
>
> ===========
> <<"Jacques" <Jacques RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:BA7F9CAC-0F8F-41A1-B7B8-18065726A93A@microsoft.com...
> I have a lot of PowerPoint 2007 slides, and I frequently need to copy some
> graphics I did into Word 2007. I select the group of shapes or objects I need
> to copy to Word and cpaste them on my Word 2007 Page. Unfortunately, the
> object get pasted as "Microsoft Office Graphic Object" that have a very poor
> quality and cannot longer be edited in Word as a native drowing object. Under
> Paste Special, in the AS: box, the "Microsoft Office Drawing Object" format
> is no longer available. This makes Copy and Paste from PowerPoint 2007 to
> Word 2007 totaly useless if you need quality and "editability". The only way
> is to paste the whole slide as "Microsoft Office PowerPoint Slide Object",
> but this is a very bad workaround, because I ususally need just a part of the
> slide. Under Office 2003, everything was working like a charm!
> The craziest thing is that it works when pasting Word 2007 objects in
> Powerpoint 2007!!! If you create a text box in Word 2007 and copy/paste it in
> Powerpoint 2007, the obect remains a text box in Powerpoint! But in 99% of
> the cases, you need that in the other direction: from PowerPoint to Word. Why
> did Microsoft removed this essential interoperability feature???? Or am I
> missing something??? >>
> --
>
> Bob Buckland ? > MS Office System Products MVP
>
> *Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
>
>
>
(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Hello Jacques -
On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681.RemoveThis@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
<Jacques.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't happened
as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
least in the next major release.
(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:31 pm
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Thanks Bob... so the only thing I can do is being patient and wait But I
still find something like this incredible!
Cheers
"CyberTaz" wrote:
> Hello Jacques -
>
> On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
> E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681 DeleteThis @microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> <Jacques DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> > not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
>
> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
>
> As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
> Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
> good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
> be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't happened
> as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
> least in the next major release.
>
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
>
(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:26 pm
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I understand how you feel, but the Escher 2 really is a fantastic leap
forward. Word's at the bottom of the list for full implementation because
(a) it's a completely different file structure than the others, and (b) word
processors are - theoretically - the last place graphic work is done:-)
Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac
On 6/13/08 1:24 PM, in article
5A175BF3-F21F-4CB3-A722-36DB07606F26.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
<Jacques.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> Thanks Bob... so the only thing I can do is being patient and wait But I
> still find something like this incredible!
> Cheers
>
> "CyberTaz" wrote:
>
>> Hello Jacques -
>>
>> On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
>> E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681.TakeThisOut@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
>> <Jacques.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
>>> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
>>
>> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
>> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
>> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
>> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
>>
>> As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
>> Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
>> good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
>> be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't happened
>> as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
>> least in the next major release.
>>
>> Regards |:>)
>> Bob Jones
>> [MVP] Office:Mac
>>
>>
(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 12:36 am
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Thanks Bob,
I understand all that, Escher2 is fantastic. But until it's fully supported,
we just cannot use the not-yet-completed Word 2007 for our publications in
our research institute...
Do you have a guess on how long we will have to wait for a patch or an
upgrade?
Again, thanks a lot for your answers...
Jacques
"CyberTaz" wrote:
> I understand how you feel, but the Escher 2 really is a fantastic leap
> forward. Word's at the bottom of the list for full implementation because
> (a) it's a completely different file structure than the others, and (b) word
> processors are - theoretically - the last place graphic work is done:-)
>
> Regards |:>)
> Bob Jones
> [MVP] Office:Mac
>
>
>
> On 6/13/08 1:24 PM, in article
> 5A175BF3-F21F-4CB3-A722-36DB07606F26.DeleteThis@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> <Jacques.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bob... so the only thing I can do is being patient and wait But I
> > still find something like this incredible!
> > Cheers
> >
> > "CyberTaz" wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Jacques -
> >>
> >> On 6/13/08 11:22 AM, in article
> >> E9949E5A-CD70-4036-A549-F70CD0E76681.DeleteThis@microsoft.com, "Jacques"
> >> <Jacques.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why does Popowerpont send the shape as "graphic object", and
> >>> not "drawing object" in the clipboard???
> >>
> >> I don't think it's a matter of what PPt *sends* - Copying/cutting to the
> >> clipboard is an OS function over which the source has no control. It's a
> >> matter of what/how the destination program is able to receive the
> >> clipboard's content when pasting takes place.
> >>
> >> As Bob indicated, the new graphics engine isn't as richly implemented in
> >> Word as it is in Excel & PPt - which has historically been the case:-) The
> >> good news (as I understand it) is that the newer engine more readily *can
> >> be* integrated into Word than could the old engine - it just hasn't happened
> >> as yet. I tend to think that Word will "catch up" in a future update or at
> >> least in the next major release.
> >>
> >> Regards |:>)
> >> Bob Jones
> >> [MVP] Office:Mac
> >>
> >>
>
>
(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:27 am
Post subject: Re: Why is it no longer possible to paste PP shapes as MS Drawing [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Hi Jacques,
Word 2007 is as finished as it's likely to get
Each of the Office 2007 series apps has different strengths and feature sets that it plays to. The Powerpoint (graphics) folks
basically own the Escher engine and a number of the features are specific to the type of output one might expect in presentations.
Can you explain in what way the separation of features would prevent you from being able to prepare a Word document? From your
description folks are used to working in Powerpoint to create diagrams, etc and you are still able to create and edit content in
Excel and Powerpoint and use the new features available in those apps then either link to it from Word or paste the result into Word
(there are folks who prefer to have that method as they don't want others being able to edit the results they created) or you can
insert a Powerpoint slide object in Word if there is some compelling reason to be able to edit the same content in two different
apps. It's not much of a difference than using an outside graphic app for creating graphics that you can use in Word.
Word 2007 also has features that Powerpoint and Excel can not support for direct editing except through object linking, which can
include inserting a Word object in a Powerpoint slide, for items such as Word 2007 Math\Equation editing in Powerpoint.
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<<"Jacques" <Jacques RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:13BE6B78-C36A-4CD9-9A6C-982A36FEF21C@microsoft.com...
Thanks Bob,
I understand all that, Escher2 is fantastic. But until it's fully supported,
we just cannot use the not-yet-completed Word 2007 for our publications in
our research institute...
Do you have a guess on how long we will have to wait for a patch or an
upgrade?
Again, thanks a lot for your answers...
Jacques <<
--
Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP
*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*
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