fonts introduced by custom keyboard shortcuts

On Jun 30, 12:18 am, Character <C... DeleteThis @cters.bold.italic> wrote:
> grammatim wrote:
> > I've made lots and lots of custom keyboard shortcuts for letters with
> > diacritics, and almost all of them work throughout Word, even in the
> > Find/Replace windows.
>
> > However, a few of them insist on inserting their letters in Tahoma or
> > in Arial Unicode instead of in the font I'm actually using; I've
> > tried
> > deleting the custom commands and closing and reopening Word, but the
> > problem persists. What can be done?
>
> > Why do a few of them not work in Find/Replace?
>
> Not all fonts have all the glyphs for all the characters. In some
> circumstances, if a font doesn't support a particular unicode
> character, Word will find a font that does. Arial Unicode has one of
> the more extensive character sets, so it gets used as the replacement.

Not even close, and definitely no cigar. If I use lots of diacritics
(for linguistics, as it happens), do you suppose I'd be using a font
that doesn't support them?

I use Gentium now, because it has even more such characters than Times
New Roman.

> > If this is the correct newsgroup for this sort of question, I'll also
> > be asking about why i can't enter Oriya or Sinhala characters properly
> > using Word2003 in XP Pro (SP2).
>
> > If not, where should I ask these questions?
>
> Here is good.

Ok. When I type in the Indic scripts for which keyboards are provided
-- Hindi, Gujarati, Punjabi = Gurmukhi so far, and I'm about to use
the four scripts for Dravidian languages (Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam,
Tamil) -- I type a consonant and then a vowel, and the vowel symbol
goes to its proper place w.r.t. the consonant symbol (right, left,
both, above, or below) and the consonant-vowel symbol becomes a single
unit for e.g. cursor movement.

However, when I enter characters in Oriya or Sinhala, whether by
Insert Symbol, Find/Replace, or Copy/Paste, this does not happen: the
vowel symbol does not go to the proper place, and the syllables do not
become single units.

For the vowels, this is tolerable (though annoying), because I'm not
typing documents in these languages, but only linguistic examples. But
it's absolutely fatal for the consonant combinations known as
conjuncts, because there is no way to access them other than through
Uniscribe.

Someone has suggested that XP has never been adapted to any version of
Unicode later than 2.0, and that I would have to switch to Vista to
type in any scripts not found in Unicode 2.0 from ten years ago.

I don't know whether Vista will even run on my computer, and I have
heard such terrible things about it in general that I don't wish to
try to find out.

So, what's the true story?

> Another useful font forum is comp.fonts.

Does it understand how Unicode does or does not interact with XP Pro?

grammatim wrote:

< ... >

>>Another useful font forum is comp.fonts.
>
>
> Does it understand how Unicode does or does not interact with XP Pro
[And with specific applications, since not all interact the same way].

'IT' doesn't understand anything ... but many of the people there do
[definitely NOT including myself]

- Ch.

I don't know what you herd about Vista and I'm not entirely sure I want
those details. However, I have three boxes running Vista 64 and one running
Vista Home Premium. Also, I use Vista on my laptop and have had few
problems. I had to replace a couple of network cards and update a few
software programs to Vista-compatible versions. However, that is peripheral
to your actual problem.

I have no experience with Unicode support and multiple foreign languages.
However, I have a couple of contacts who do. If you wish, I will forward
your questions to them. If you have some particular queries aside from those
you already expressed, send them via the newsgroup or to my e-mail address.
tom.msmvp.DeleteThis@2547gmail.com (remove the numerals). I will forward them later in
the week (vacation time for them now).

"grammatim" <grammatim.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3091fcbe-6ac6-41b2-986d-3c3d0ac50d07@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 30, 12:18 am, Character <C....DeleteThis@cters.bold.italic> wrote:
> grammatim wrote:
> > I've made lots and lots of custom keyboard shortcuts for letters with
> > diacritics, and almost all of them work throughout Word, even in the
> > Find/Replace windows.
>
> > However, a few of them insist on inserting their letters in Tahoma or
> > in Arial Unicode instead of in the font I'm actually using; I've
> > tried
> > deleting the custom commands and closing and reopening Word, but the
> > problem persists. What can be done?
>
> > Why do a few of them not work in Find/Replace?
>
> Not all fonts have all the glyphs for all the characters. In some
> circumstances, if a font doesn't support a particular unicode
> character, Word will find a font that does. Arial Unicode has one of
> the more extensive character sets, so it gets used as the replacement.

Not even close, and definitely no cigar. If I use lots of diacritics
(for linguistics, as it happens), do you suppose I'd be using a font
that doesn't support them?

I use Gentium now, because it has even more such characters than Times
New Roman.

> > If this is the correct newsgroup for this sort of question, I'll also
> > be asking about why i can't enter Oriya or Sinhala characters properly
> > using Word2003 in XP Pro (SP2).
>
> > If not, where should I ask these questions?
>
> Here is good.

Ok. When I type in the Indic scripts for which keyboards are provided
-- Hindi, Gujarati, Punjabi = Gurmukhi so far, and I'm about to use
the four scripts for Dravidian languages (Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam,
Tamil) -- I type a consonant and then a vowel, and the vowel symbol
goes to its proper place w.r.t. the consonant symbol (right, left,
both, above, or below) and the consonant-vowel symbol becomes a single
unit for e.g. cursor movement.

However, when I enter characters in Oriya or Sinhala, whether by
Insert Symbol, Find/Replace, or Copy/Paste, this does not happen: the
vowel symbol does not go to the proper place, and the syllables do not
become single units.

For the vowels, this is tolerable (though annoying), because I'm not
typing documents in these languages, but only linguistic examples. But
it's absolutely fatal for the consonant combinations known as
conjuncts, because there is no way to access them other than through
Uniscribe.

Someone has suggested that XP has never been adapted to any version of
Unicode later than 2.0, and that I would have to switch to Vista to
type in any scripts not found in Unicode 2.0 from ten years ago.

I don't know whether Vista will even run on my computer, and I have
heard such terrible things about it in general that I don't wish to
try to find out.

So, what's the true story?

> Another useful font forum is comp.fonts.

Does it understand how Unicode does or does not interact with XP Pro?

Thank you for the offer. Being in google groups, I can't see your
address!

There's also the matter of cost, and of what happens to all my
existing customization settings with the changeover, and the question
of whether the hardware will even support Vista.

"Few problems"?

BTW I looked in at comp.fonts, and it doesn't appear to deal with any
questions beyond identifying fonts from samples of a few letters, and
how to get fonts.

On Jul 1, 2:27 am, "Tom Ferguson" <tom.newsgro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know what you herd about Vista and I'm not entirely sure I want
> those details. However, I have three boxes running Vista 64 and one running
> Vista Home Premium. Also, I use Vista on my laptop and have had few
> problems. I had to replace a couple of network cards and update a few
> software programs to Vista-compatible versions. However, that is peripheral
> to your actual problem.
>
> I have no experience with Unicode support and multiple foreign languages.
> However, I have a couple of contacts who do. If you wish, I will forward
> your questions to them. If you have some particular queries aside from those
> you already expressed, send them via the newsgroup or to my e-mail address.
> tom.ms....RemoveThis@2547gmail.com (remove the numerals). I will forward them later in
> the week (vacation time for them now).
>
> "grammatim" <gramma....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3091fcbe-6ac6-41b2-986d-3c3d0ac50d07@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 30, 12:18 am, Character <C....RemoveThis@cters.bold.italic> wrote:

> > grammatim wrote:
> > > I've made lots and lots of custom keyboard shortcuts for letters with
> > > diacritics, and almost all of them work throughout Word, even in the
> > > Find/Replace windows.
>
> > > However, a few of them insist on inserting their letters in Tahoma or
> > > in Arial Unicode instead of in the font I'm actually using; I've
> > > tried
> > > deleting the custom commands and closing and reopening Word, but the
> > > problem persists. What can be done?
>
> > > Why do a few of them not work in Find/Replace?
>
> > Not all fonts have all the glyphs for all the characters. In some
> > circumstances, if a font doesn't support a particular unicode
> > character, Word will find a font that does. Arial Unicode has one of
> > the more extensive character sets, so it gets used as the replacement.
>
> Not even close, and definitely no cigar. If I use lots of diacritics
> (for linguistics, as it happens), do you suppose I'd be using a font
> that doesn't support them?
>
> I use Gentium now, because it has even more such characters than Times
> New Roman.
>
> > > If this is the correct newsgroup for this sort of question, I'll also
> > > be asking about why i can't enter Oriya or Sinhala characters properly
> > > using Word2003 in XP Pro (SP2).
>
> > > If not, where should I ask these questions?
>
> > Here is good.
>
> Ok. When I type in the Indic scripts for which keyboards are provided
> -- Hindi, Gujarati, Punjabi = Gurmukhi so far, and I'm about to use
> the four scripts for Dravidian languages (Kannada, Telugu, Malayalam,
> Tamil) -- I type a consonant and then a vowel, and the vowel symbol
> goes to its proper place w.r.t. the consonant symbol (right, left,
> both, above, or below) and the consonant-vowel symbol becomes a single
> unit for e.g. cursor movement.
>
> However, when I enter characters in Oriya or Sinhala, whether by
> Insert Symbol, Find/Replace, or Copy/Paste, this does not happen: the
> vowel symbol does not go to the proper place, and the syllables do not
> become single units.
>
> For the vowels, this is tolerable (though annoying), because I'm not
> typing documents in these languages, but only linguistic examples. But
> it's absolutely fatal for the consonant combinations known as
> conjuncts, because there is no way to access them other than through
> Uniscribe.
>
> Someone has suggested that XP has never been adapted to any version of
> Unicode later than 2.0, and that I would have to switch to Vista to
> type in any scripts not found in Unicode 2.0 from ten years ago.
>
> I don't know whether Vista will even  run on my computer, and I have
> heard such terrible things about it in general that I don't wish to
> try to find out.
>
> So, what's the true story?
>
> > Another useful font forum is comp.fonts.
>
> Does it understand how Unicode does or does not interact with XP Pro?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

grammatim wrote:


> BTW I looked in at comp.fonts, and it doesn't appear to deal with any
> questions beyond identifying fonts from samples of a few letters, and
> how to get fonts.

Not so. True, there's a lot of that, but there are also long technical
discussions, at various levels. The most recent I see was in early
June regarding historical Irish typography; a Greek encoding
discussion, about a year ago, etc. Comp.fonts was orignally THE font
developer's discussion group, before usenet opened itself to the
world. Many developers still look in and respond there. Other forums
include Typophile, Adobe Forums, the Type Design forum, and the Typo-L
Discussion lists.

I mentioned comp.fonts first because it's accessible via what you're
already using, Google Groups. The others are web-based and require
registration (free).

- Character

On Jul 2, 12:10 pm, Character <C....DeleteThis@cters.bold.italic> wrote:
> grammatim wrote:
> > BTW I looked in at comp.fonts, and it doesn't appear to deal with any
> > questions beyond identifying fonts from samples of a few letters, and
> > how to get fonts.
>
> Not so. True, there's a lot of that, but there are also long technical
> discussions, at various levels. The most recent I see was in early
> June regarding historical Irish typography; a Greek encoding
> discussion, about a year ago, etc. Comp.fonts was orignally THE font
> developer's discussion group, before usenet opened itself to the
> world. Many developers still look in and respond there. Other forums
> include Typophile, Adobe Forums, the Type Design forum, and the Typo-L
> Discussion lists.
>
> I mentioned comp.fonts first because it's accessible via what you're
> already using, Google Groups. The others are web-based and require
> registration (free).

They all sound like they deal with design rather than with my current
problems of _using_ virtually every script in the world.