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Bob Buckland ?:-)

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:28 pm
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Hi Terry,

To an extent I agree, for support folks and corporate types who locked down everything anyway, for many users the Ribbon is 'more
predictable' and they probably don't see that anything has been lost. In too many companies the 'show menus after a short delay')
is what folks live with after each log in when they're in prior versions. That was pretty much taken away.

As to customizing the ribbon, it's true that there there isn't the drag and drop UI built in, but customizing the ribbon via the
RibbonX tools and 'language' to rearrange everything is probably not any higher degree of difficulty than it would be to write a
macro in VBA (in fact it's easier for me to follow the outline structure of the RibbonX <g>), but surprisingly very few folks seem
to have jumped into that. There is even at least one MS tool, although it's not a WYSIWYG one Smile

What is 'fun' is to start Word in Safe Mode (hold ctrl key when starting for those reading who may not be familiar with it) and
seeing the 'regular' ribbon if you have customized positions <g>. Then you can really get confused.

Over time, I've noted that there is a definite pause now when I start a prior version and go looking for things as the 'muscle
memory' now 'fights' to want to go to the Word 2007 places as first choice when using the mouse <g>.

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>>"Terry Farrell" <terryfarrell RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message news:68688B11-5D77-4215-96AD-B8C7B6768234@microsoft.com...
I don't think anyone will argue that the transition is far more difficult
than previous versions. It does get better the more familiar you become but
I am convinced that it is NOT easier or more intuitive to use than previous
versions. However, this may be because I have been a Word user since Word 2
which is making me prejudiced against this major interface change.

The way I see this is that the old interface was like the steering wheel of
a car: it is intuitive and works well for everyone whether you are an old
granny out shopping or an F1 ace winning the Monaco Grand Prix. A joy stick
or a drive-by-wire touch pad would be a disaster for the majority of normal
drivers. I think of the ribbon as the latter.

Given a 'once and for all' choice between Office 2003 and Office 2007, I
have no doubts that I would choose the former because I am concerned that
the developers will not resolve the gaping holes they have made of the
latter's interface implementation.

Yes, I like the look and idea of the Ribbon, but I don't like the choice of
tools that have been added in each group. As far as I am concerned, until a
user is able to change the layout and tools on the ribbons and create a
custom ribbon straight out of the box without need for third party tools, it
is a failure. To me the QAT is just a last minute panic measure to overcome
the inflexibilities of the Ribbons. >>
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:28 pm
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Hi Jean-Guy,

While the Quick Access Toolbar has only one position, it does have the ability to have multiple sections that can you can have come
and go as needed.

The standalone (always there) entries are stored (in Word's case) in a separate XML file, Word.QAT, but you can add QAT items to
specific templates or specific documents if those help with task related actions. You can attach a template (Alt, T, I) that has a
custom QAT section as well as pull in custom made (not customized built in) Toolbars from older versions into the Add-In tab.

Then there is http://toggletoolbar.com which demonstrates a way to use [Task] Panes in Word 2007 as a way to 'host' groups of
commands (i.e. a version of floating toolbars). MVP Greg Maxey was looking into doing an article (I think) on how to do that with
Word, but I don't know how far along he's gotten with that.

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<<"Jean-Guy Marcil" <JeanGuyMarcil RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:319688D6-0EDF-46D7-94D7-24C50C1F8B91@microsoft.com...

Quick examples:
In Word, I always use "Format > Paragraph... > Line and Page Breaks > Page
Break Before > OK" which is 5 clicks. (This is because I abhor manual Page
Break as they have too often caused me grief...) Therefore, I added this
command to the tool bar... Now, one click.
In addition, I often need to get to the "Advanced Layout" tab (Object
Format) to adjust object position on a page, or to get information. Normally,
this is between 4 and 6 clicks away (depending on what you did last time you
displayed the Object Format dialog). So I have a macro that opens it directly
and I have added a button on the drawing toolbar...

If you do many repetitive tasks or often use the same tools to do diverse
tasks, it is definitely helpful to be able to customize the toolbars... This
is why 2007 is a pain to those who used to have extensive customizations in
order to make their job easier. One QAT to customize isn't the same as over
20 toolbars you can customize according to the type of tasks that needs to be
performed... >>
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DeanH

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:43 am
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"buttons for "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" (and thanks, Robert
Franz for the attractive button icons)."

Hi Ms Barnhill, in the previous posting you mentioned the above. Where can I
get these icons or are they a closely guarded secret? Wink
I have searched Mr Franz's website (Scientific guide) but cannot find such
icons.

Many thanks in advance
DeanH
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:36 am
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

> BTW, Jean-Guy, I understand you can have different QATs for different
> templates--not the same as having toolbars you can turn on and off in any
> template, but a start.
>

Thanks for the info, this is good to know.

I will keep this in mind whenever my company is ready to make the "big"
switch...
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:54 am
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Bob either sent them to me privately or posted them in a private binaries
forum--I forget which. It's possible he could be persuaded to share them
more generally. I'll warn you, though: his have some purple (or at least
magenta) in them--rather gaudy; I changed the color to red. <g>

These are among the half-dozen or so custom buttons I moved to Word 2007 as
part of a custom toolbar. They're one click less accessible from the QAT but
still better than having to open a dialog.

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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"DeanH" <DeanH DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:040D554D-0E9A-4321-93B7-F01AEE23E562@microsoft.com...
> "buttons for "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" (and thanks,
> Robert
> Franz for the attractive button icons)."
>
> Hi Ms Barnhill, in the previous posting you mentioned the above. Where can
> I
> get these icons or are they a closely guarded secret? Wink
> I have searched Mr Franz's website (Scientific guide) but cannot find such
> icons.
>
> Many thanks in advance
> DeanH
>
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:54 am
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Thanks for that Ms Barnhill.
Lets hope Mr Franz reads this and is agreeable.
I have always had KWN and KLT on my toolbar and use them constantly. As you
say the toogle effect is very handy. Unfortunately I have them as Text
buttons and a nice little icon or two would be very handy, even only to save
toolbar space.
Best regards
DeanH

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

> Bob either sent them to me privately or posted them in a private binaries
> forum--I forget which. It's possible he could be persuaded to share them
> more generally. I'll warn you, though: his have some purple (or at least
> magenta) in them--rather gaudy; I changed the color to red. <g>
>
> These are among the half-dozen or so custom buttons I moved to Word 2007 as
> part of a custom toolbar. They're one click less accessible from the QAT but
> still better than having to open a dialog.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "DeanH" <DeanH.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:040D554D-0E9A-4321-93B7-F01AEE23E562@microsoft.com...
> > "buttons for "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" (and thanks,
> > Robert
> > Franz for the attractive button icons)."
> >
> > Hi Ms Barnhill, in the previous posting you mentioned the above. Where can
> > I
> > get these icons or are they a closely guarded secret? Wink
> > I have searched Mr Franz's website (Scientific guide) but cannot find such
> > icons.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance
> > DeanH
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Suzanne S. Barnhill

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:53 am
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I copied him by email, and he gave his permission for me to share. I'll
figure out a way to do it and let you know where they can be found.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

"DeanH" <DeanH DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9E2FD87E-6561-48DE-A8C3-5746AA467868@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for that Ms Barnhill.
> Lets hope Mr Franz reads this and is agreeable.
> I have always had KWN and KLT on my toolbar and use them constantly. As
> you
> say the toogle effect is very handy. Unfortunately I have them as Text
> buttons and a nice little icon or two would be very handy, even only to
> save
> toolbar space.
> Best regards
> DeanH
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
>> Bob either sent them to me privately or posted them in a private binaries
>> forum--I forget which. It's possible he could be persuaded to share them
>> more generally. I'll warn you, though: his have some purple (or at least
>> magenta) in them--rather gaudy; I changed the color to red. <g>
>>
>> These are among the half-dozen or so custom buttons I moved to Word 2007
>> as
>> part of a custom toolbar. They're one click less accessible from the QAT
>> but
>> still better than having to open a dialog.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "DeanH" <DeanH DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:040D554D-0E9A-4321-93B7-F01AEE23E562@microsoft.com...
>> > "buttons for "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" (and thanks,
>> > Robert
>> > Franz for the attractive button icons)."
>> >
>> > Hi Ms Barnhill, in the previous posting you mentioned the above. Where
>> > can
>> > I
>> > get these icons or are they a closely guarded secret? Wink
>> > I have searched Mr Franz's website (Scientific guide) but cannot find
>> > such
>> > icons.
>> >
>> > Many thanks in advance
>> > DeanH
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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(Msg. 16) Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:50 pm
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Many thanks.
Would somewhere on your website be best?
Look forward, as always, to hearing from you.
DeanH

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:

> I copied him by email, and he gave his permission for me to share. I'll
> figure out a way to do it and let you know where they can be found.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "DeanH" <DeanH DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9E2FD87E-6561-48DE-A8C3-5746AA467868@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for that Ms Barnhill.
> > Lets hope Mr Franz reads this and is agreeable.
> > I have always had KWN and KLT on my toolbar and use them constantly. As
> > you
> > say the toogle effect is very handy. Unfortunately I have them as Text
> > buttons and a nice little icon or two would be very handy, even only to
> > save
> > toolbar space.
> > Best regards
> > DeanH
> >
> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> >
> >> Bob either sent them to me privately or posted them in a private binaries
> >> forum--I forget which. It's possible he could be persuaded to share them
> >> more generally. I'll warn you, though: his have some purple (or at least
> >> magenta) in them--rather gaudy; I changed the color to red. <g>
> >>
> >> These are among the half-dozen or so custom buttons I moved to Word 2007
> >> as
> >> part of a custom toolbar. They're one click less accessible from the QAT
> >> but
> >> still better than having to open a dialog.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >>
> >> "DeanH" <DeanH DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:040D554D-0E9A-4321-93B7-F01AEE23E562@microsoft.com...
> >> > "buttons for "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" (and thanks,
> >> > Robert
> >> > Franz for the attractive button icons)."
> >> >
> >> > Hi Ms Barnhill, in the previous posting you mentioned the above. Where
> >> > can
> >> > I
> >> > get these icons or are they a closely guarded secret? Wink
> >> > I have searched Mr Franz's website (Scientific guide) but cannot find
> >> > such
> >> > icons.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks in advance
> >> > DeanH
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
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