Word 2007 is "More intuitive??"

Hi Taz,

Actually I got myself on that one

What I had forgotten was the effect of not having used

Tools=>Customize=>Options=>[Reset Menu and Toolbar Usage Data]

In a locked down Office deployment (i.e. where things reset after every session for the next login), if the 'everyone the same'
cloning occured (as it did in the common profile at work) with usage data from testing still stored, not reset, then the 'default'
positions of the buttons (including Print Preview) are different for that 'startup' experience than the original 'out of the box'
ones.

As this one covers a whole lot of users <g> the help desk position has been that to change it would cause more confusion and
since the CIO received compensation in the 7-figure range last year, it's a bit tough to get things changed that are set in.

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<<"CyberTaz" <onlygeneraltaz1 RemoveThis @com.cast.net> wrote in message news:C478D23A.3CF4E%onlygeneraltaz1@com.cast.net...
Yeah, you got him there, Suzanne:-)

In every version of Word I can recall [going back to Word 1.0 on the Mac]
there has been a Print Preview button on the Standard toolbar as an
out-of-the-box feature - right next to the Print button. It never had to be
added to a toolbar as an optional customization prior to Word 2007 - unless
you wanted it elsewhere as well or instead of the default location.

If developments on the Mac are any indication of coming trends in Windows -
not that such a thing would ever happen or has ever happened in the past:-)
- print services are being overtly assumed by the OS & printer software. MS
may be weaning their apps away from Print Preview altogether - in Office:Mac
2008 it's already been removed completely from Excel & PowerPoint.

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac <<

Hi Marsoupeal,

It's interesting to see some of the comments on the Ribbon change. I recall when Windows came out, similar discussions and
complaints about how almost everything worked, including the layout of the menu bar and what items were listed under those. It
wasn't an overnight success for folks finding that interface 'intuitive' either.

Even when the switch came from things like CP/M to MS-DOS there were complaints that Microsoft 'dared' to change some of the command
line tools so that instead of CP/M's convention for changing a name of a file using
REN NewName = Oldname

to Microsoft using

REN OldName Newname

or Microsoft changing the CP/M PIP [multifunction] command name to COPY. Folks (far fewer 'end users' <g> in those days ) said they
were sure it would cause no end of confusion and trouble and would of course, fail in the end <g>. Today, any change can impact so
many users and their daily routines that it's a bit more daring to make a switch than it was in ye olden dayes, although some folks
don't notice that throughout their day that they are switching through differing keyboard and screen layouts with a variety of
devices all day long with little thought to the switch in the keyboard and displays (computer, cell phone, MP3 player, TV/DVR
remote, office copier, digital dashboards in cars)

There was another 'debate' with 'strong positions' over the number of buttons on a mouse for Apple vs Microsoft, and who was right,
and so on .

Of course now we've all learned from folks doing txting on cell phones that you can actually master an interface while being 'all
thumbs'.

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>><Marsoupeal> wrote in message news:Xns9AC16683D8EF9Marsoupeal@207.46.248.16...

But some features, like word's built in calulator, are harder to
"discover" now. In some ways, the trouble is MS stayed with the toolbars
too long, till they became set in stone in many users' and especially
business users' minds.

Incidentally the ribbon system is not totally new to software. I
remember seeing it as long ago as 2000 in the web editor 1stpage 2000,
(nothing to do with Microsoft or Frontpage 2000 as far as I know.) But I
think Microsoft's business users are more conservative than the average
computer user. >>
--

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office System Products MVP

*Courtesy is not expensive and can pay big dividends*

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
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> The experience seems to be that the new UI is more intuitive for brand-new
> users and not too difficult for casual users to get used to. Longtime
> power users, the ones who knew where every command was on every menu and
> where every button was in every dialog or on every toolbar (and had their
> toolbars and menus extensively customized), are the ones who are really
> suffering.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA


We're not just suffering - we're giving up. I have tried, I really have, to
adjust to the new interface, but I've come to loathe it so much I've gone
back to Word 2003. If Microsoft doesn't improve this in their next version,
then when 2003 is not working for me any longer, I will have to seriously
look elsewhere for my word processing needs. I never thought I would ever
give up on any version of Word, but I'm giving up now. (I've been a power
user since Word 3.0, so it's a painful epiphany that Word isn't the right
program for me any more.)

I installed Word 2007 side-by-side with Word 2003, knowing that I would
probably use 2007 only for reference in answering users' simpler questions.
I still use Word 2003 for production work and probably will continue to do
so for some time. I've done a few things in 2007 (my blog, letters to my
kids using Word 2003 templates), but I would have to have a lot more time to
play around with it to get comfortable enough to want to use it full time. I
despair of ever knowing how numbering works, though I must get that figured
out in order to update some of my Web articles. So far I haven't gotten a
round enough tuit for that. <g>

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ONMpLOxyIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The experience seems to be that the new UI is more intuitive for
>> brand-new users and not too difficult for casual users to get used to.
>> Longtime power users, the ones who knew where every command was on every
>> menu and where every button was in every dialog or on every toolbar (and
>> had their toolbars and menus extensively customized), are the ones who
>> are really suffering.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
>
> We're not just suffering - we're giving up. I have tried, I really have,
> to adjust to the new interface, but I've come to loathe it so much I've
> gone back to Word 2003. If Microsoft doesn't improve this in their next
> version, then when 2003 is not working for me any longer, I will have to
> seriously look elsewhere for my word processing needs. I never thought I
> would ever give up on any version of Word, but I'm giving up now. (I've
> been a power user since Word 3.0, so it's a painful epiphany that Word
> isn't the right program for me any more.)
>
>

Much the same here. About the only things I use Word 2007 for are writing
letters (because I converted one of my templates to 2007 early on) and for
vba programming, because the vba help is better. I still use Word 2003 for
anything complicated, because it is second nature to do so.

I said early on that Microsoft had not considered the huge training
implications of such a radical change. I still think that the good parts of
this application are far outweighed by the inconvenience of the changes to
the interface.

I have however updated my web articles

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Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com
Word MVP web site http://word.mvps.org
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> I installed Word 2007 side-by-side with Word 2003, knowing that I
> would probably use 2007 only for reference in answering users'
> simpler questions. I still use Word 2003 for production work and
> probably will continue to do so for some time. I've done a few things
> in 2007 (my blog, letters to my kids using Word 2003 templates), but
> I would have to have a lot more time to play around with it to get
> comfortable enough to want to use it full time. I despair of ever
> knowing how numbering works, though I must get that figured out in
> order to update some of my Web articles. So far I haven't gotten a
> round enough tuit for that. <g>
>
> "starcat" <ieatmice.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23HTWdFzAJHA.1740@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:ONMpLOxyIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> The experience seems to be that the new UI is more intuitive for
>>> brand-new users and not too difficult for casual users to get used
>>> to. Longtime power users, the ones who knew where every command was
>>> on every menu and where every button was in every dialog or on
>>> every toolbar (and had their toolbars and menus extensively
>>> customized), are the ones who are really suffering.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>> Words into Type
>>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>>
>> We're not just suffering - we're giving up. I have tried, I really
>> have, to adjust to the new interface, but I've come to loathe it so
>> much I've gone back to Word 2003. If Microsoft doesn't improve this
>> in their next version, then when 2003 is not working for me any
>> longer, I will have to seriously look elsewhere for my word
>> processing needs. I never thought I would ever give up on any
>> version of Word, but I'm giving up now. (I've been a power user
>> since Word 3.0, so it's a painful epiphany that Word isn't the right
>> program for me any more.)

I am about to purchase a new Notebook: guess what I'll be installing...

--
Terry Farrell - MSWord MVP

"starcat" <ieatmice.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:ONMpLOxyIHA.2188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> The experience seems to be that the new UI is more intuitive for
>> brand-new users and not too difficult for casual users to get used to.
>> Longtime power users, the ones who knew where every command was on every
>> menu and where every button was in every dialog or on every toolbar (and
>> had their toolbars and menus extensively customized), are the ones who
>> are really suffering.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
>
> We're not just suffering - we're giving up. I have tried, I really have,
> to adjust to the new interface, but I've come to loathe it so much I've
> gone back to Word 2003. If Microsoft doesn't improve this in their next
> version, then when 2003 is not working for me any longer, I will have to
> seriously look elsewhere for my word processing needs. I never thought I
> would ever give up on any version of Word, but I'm giving up now. (I've
> been a power user since Word 3.0, so it's a painful epiphany that Word
> isn't the right program for me any more.)
>