(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:21 pm
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>word>pagelayout (more info?)
I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in the normal
template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document you
cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.
So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story shows no
paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing in a
document that at one time had header or footer content will show a paragraph
mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.
I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a header/footer
and the user created reality of it.
*But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid of it.
Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.
PamC
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a change.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:43 pm
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
If you don't enter anything in the header/footer view there will not be a
header/footer. The limits of the page are set by the page margins (within
limits set by the printer driver). You cannot simply remove the function to
include a header footer simply because you don't want to add anything to it.
--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
Graham Mayor - Word MVP
Gary wrote:
> To clarify, when I click on the top and bottom of each page, a light
> blue tab will appear and "Header -Section 1-", "Footer -Section 1-"
> will be written in these light blue tabs. Can I just get rid of
> these header and footer areas completely as opposed to just not
> having any text or objects in them (having the sections blank). Or
> are Word 2007 documents automatically formatted to include header and
> footer sections and the best I can do is reduce the size of these
> sections?
> It seems to me there would be alot of instances where a person would
> create a Word document that did not require headers or footers. So
> why can't these sections just be removed from the document, if not
> required?
(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I think this must have been fixed (at least for Word 2003) because I can now
delete header/footer content in a Word 2003 document and see no empty
paragraph in the header/footer.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"PamC" <PamC RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:940FD7CE-BF9E-4615-8413-85A352E64697@microsoft.com...
>I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
> explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in the
> normal
> template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document you
> cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.
>
> So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
> displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story shows no
> paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing in a
> document that at one time had header or footer content will show a
> paragraph
> mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.
>
> I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a header/footer
> and the user created reality of it.
>
> *But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid of
> it.
> Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.
>
> PamC
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
>> I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a change.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>
>
(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:14 pm
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I think the only difference between Word 2007 and what was previously seen in
earlier versions here is that the paragraph mark is now made invisible if
there is no other content in the header (the same applies to the footer). If
you run the following little macro, you will find that the apparently empty
header always contains a paragraph mark:
Sub TestHeader()
With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).Headers(wdHeaderFooterPrimary).Range
If .Text = Chr(13) Then
MsgBox "Header consists of a paragraph mark"
ElseIf .Text = "" Then
MsgBox "Header is empty"
End If
End With
End Sub
--
Regards
Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> I think this must have been fixed (at least for Word 2003) because I can now
> delete header/footer content in a Word 2003 document and see no empty
> paragraph in the header/footer.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "PamC" <PamC.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:940FD7CE-BF9E-4615-8413-85A352E64697@microsoft.com...
> >I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
> > explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in the
> > normal
> > template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document you
> > cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.
> >
> > So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
> > displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story shows no
> > paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing in a
> > document that at one time had header or footer content will show a
> > paragraph
> > mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.
> >
> > I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a header/footer
> > and the user created reality of it.
> >
> > *But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid of
> > it.
> > Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.
> >
> > PamC
> >
> >
> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a change.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:04 pm
Post subject: RE: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Sally replies - open up the header and/or footer, delete data in the box,
reduce the size of the box and then close. The header and/or footer will not
appear on your document.
"Gary" wrote:
> I am using Microsoft Word 2007 and received a resume document (in Word 2007
> ..docx format) from someone that I wish to change somewhat in order to create
> my own resume.
>
> The problem I am encountering is the two page resume document has header and
> footer sections on both pages that I need to remove to make my changes. I
> can remove the actual header and footer text (by clicking "Header - Remove
> Header" and "Footer - Remove Footer") but am unable to remove the Header and
> Footer SECTIONS in the document.
>
> Can anyone help me with this? Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:41 pm
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
In Word 2003, I can use View | Header and Footer to open the header, type
something in it, close the header, then reopen it and delete the text. When
I then close the header, not only is no paragraph mark displayed in the
header, but I can not open the header by double-clicking on it. IOW, I'm
back to Square Zero. This suggests to me that something has been fixed, and
that it should be possible to remove the headers of Word 2003 docs (or even
Normal.dot), leaving no residue.
Moreover, the template I use most often used to have an ineradicable header
paragraph because I had foolishly opened the header to change the tab stops
(because I had changed the margins), instead of changing them in Format |
Style: Header without opening the header pane). Even though the header was
"empty," there was an empty paragraph mark there. It is now no longer there.
Again, I think some SP or other must have fixed this.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Lene Fredborg" <lf DeleteThis @REMOVETHISthedoctools.com> wrote in message
news:27EC8D8B-F9CE-4ACE-A11C-3079CC4C4D54@microsoft.com...
>I think the only difference between Word 2007 and what was previously seen
>in
> earlier versions here is that the paragraph mark is now made invisible if
> there is no other content in the header (the same applies to the footer).
> If
> you run the following little macro, you will find that the apparently
> empty
> header always contains a paragraph mark:
>
> Sub TestHeader()
> With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).Headers(wdHeaderFooterPrimary).Range
> If .Text = Chr(13) Then
> MsgBox "Header consists of a paragraph mark"
> ElseIf .Text = "" Then
> MsgBox "Header is empty"
> End If
> End With
> End Sub
>
> --
> Regards
> Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
> DocTools - Denmark
> www.thedoctools.com > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
>> I think this must have been fixed (at least for Word 2003) because I can
>> now
>> delete header/footer content in a Word 2003 document and see no empty
>> paragraph in the header/footer.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "PamC" <PamC DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:940FD7CE-BF9E-4615-8413-85A352E64697@microsoft.com...
>> >I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
>> > explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in the
>> > normal
>> > template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document you
>> > cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.
>> >
>> > So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
>> > displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story shows
>> > no
>> > paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing in
>> > a
>> > document that at one time had header or footer content will show a
>> > paragraph
>> > mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.
>> >
>> > I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a
>> > header/footer
>> > and the user created reality of it.
>> >
>> > *But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid of
>> > it.
>> > Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.
>> >
>> > PamC
>> >
>> >
>> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a change.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> Words into Type
>> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
(Msg. 15) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:07 am
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Regarding Word 2003: I have noticed that same and agree that something must
have been fixed (that was why I – very unclear, I think - wrote “…what was
previously seen in earlier versions…”). My point with the macro was to show
that even if one cannot see the paragraph mark, it is still there.
--
Regards
Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
DocTools - Denmark
www.thedoctools.com
Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> In Word 2003, I can use View | Header and Footer to open the header, type
> something in it, close the header, then reopen it and delete the text. When
> I then close the header, not only is no paragraph mark displayed in the
> header, but I can not open the header by double-clicking on it. IOW, I'm
> back to Square Zero. This suggests to me that something has been fixed, and
> that it should be possible to remove the headers of Word 2003 docs (or even
> Normal.dot), leaving no residue.
>
> Moreover, the template I use most often used to have an ineradicable header
> paragraph because I had foolishly opened the header to change the tab stops
> (because I had changed the margins), instead of changing them in Format |
> Style: Header without opening the header pane). Even though the header was
> "empty," there was an empty paragraph mark there. It is now no longer there.
> Again, I think some SP or other must have fixed this.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "Lene Fredborg" <lf DeleteThis @REMOVETHISthedoctools.com> wrote in message
> news:27EC8D8B-F9CE-4ACE-A11C-3079CC4C4D54@microsoft.com...
> >I think the only difference between Word 2007 and what was previously seen
> >in
> > earlier versions here is that the paragraph mark is now made invisible if
> > there is no other content in the header (the same applies to the footer).
> > If
> > you run the following little macro, you will find that the apparently
> > empty
> > header always contains a paragraph mark:
> >
> > Sub TestHeader()
> > With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).Headers(wdHeaderFooterPrimary).Range
> > If .Text = Chr(13) Then
> > MsgBox "Header consists of a paragraph mark"
> > ElseIf .Text = "" Then
> > MsgBox "Header is empty"
> > End If
> > End With
> > End Sub
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > DocTools - Denmark
> > www.thedoctools.com > > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
> >
> >
> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> >
> >> I think this must have been fixed (at least for Word 2003) because I can
> >> now
> >> delete header/footer content in a Word 2003 document and see no empty
> >> paragraph in the header/footer.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >>
> >> "PamC" <PamC DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:940FD7CE-BF9E-4615-8413-85A352E64697@microsoft.com...
> >> >I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
> >> > explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in the
> >> > normal
> >> > template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document you
> >> > cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.
> >> >
> >> > So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
> >> > displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story shows
> >> > no
> >> > paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing in
> >> > a
> >> > document that at one time had header or footer content will show a
> >> > paragraph
> >> > mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.
> >> >
> >> > I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a
> >> > header/footer
> >> > and the user created reality of it.
> >> >
> >> > *But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid of
> >> > it.
> >> > Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.
> >> >
> >> > PamC
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a change.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> >> Words into Type
> >> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:57 am
Post subject: Re: Removing Header and Footer Sections [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I guess what I'm seeing as a difference is that now, if I set the top margin
to 0.4" without changing the header margin to less than the default 0.5",
the empty header no longer interferes.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Lene Fredborg" <lf RemoveThis @REMOVETHISthedoctools.com> wrote in message
news:BE7D6C08-BD06-4E31-86F3-B36FA9F6224C@microsoft.com...
> Regarding Word 2003: I have noticed that same and agree that something
> must
> have been fixed (that was why I - very unclear, I think - wrote ".what was
> previously seen in earlier versions."). My point with the macro was to
> show
> that even if one cannot see the paragraph mark, it is still there.
>
> --
> Regards
> Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
> DocTools - Denmark
> www.thedoctools.com > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
>> In Word 2003, I can use View | Header and Footer to open the header, type
>> something in it, close the header, then reopen it and delete the text.
>> When
>> I then close the header, not only is no paragraph mark displayed in the
>> header, but I can not open the header by double-clicking on it. IOW, I'm
>> back to Square Zero. This suggests to me that something has been fixed,
>> and
>> that it should be possible to remove the headers of Word 2003 docs (or
>> even
>> Normal.dot), leaving no residue.
>>
>> Moreover, the template I use most often used to have an ineradicable
>> header
>> paragraph because I had foolishly opened the header to change the tab
>> stops
>> (because I had changed the margins), instead of changing them in Format |
>> Style: Header without opening the header pane). Even though the header
>> was
>> "empty," there was an empty paragraph mark there. It is now no longer
>> there.
>> Again, I think some SP or other must have fixed this.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "Lene Fredborg" <lf RemoveThis @REMOVETHISthedoctools.com> wrote in message
>> news:27EC8D8B-F9CE-4ACE-A11C-3079CC4C4D54@microsoft.com...
>> >I think the only difference between Word 2007 and what was previously
>> >seen
>> >in
>> > earlier versions here is that the paragraph mark is now made invisible
>> > if
>> > there is no other content in the header (the same applies to the
>> > footer).
>> > If
>> > you run the following little macro, you will find that the apparently
>> > empty
>> > header always contains a paragraph mark:
>> >
>> > Sub TestHeader()
>> > With ActiveDocument.Sections(1).Headers(wdHeaderFooterPrimary).Range
>> > If .Text = Chr(13) Then
>> > MsgBox "Header consists of a paragraph mark"
>> > ElseIf .Text = "" Then
>> > MsgBox "Header is empty"
>> > End If
>> > End With
>> > End Sub
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards
>> > Lene Fredborg - Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> > DocTools - Denmark
>> > www.thedoctools.com >> > Document automation - add-ins, macros and templates for Microsoft Word
>> >
>> >
>> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I think this must have been fixed (at least for Word 2003) because I
>> >> can
>> >> now
>> >> delete header/footer content in a Word 2003 document and see no empty
>> >> paragraph in the header/footer.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> Words into Type
>> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >>
>> >> "PamC" <PamC RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:940FD7CE-BF9E-4615-8413-85A352E64697@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I recall from reading discussions here and elsewhere--discussions
>> >> > explaining why it's not a good idea to put headers and footers in
>> >> > the
>> >> > normal
>> >> > template--that once a header or footer has been added to a document
>> >> > you
>> >> > cannot get rid* of the ending paragraphs marks.
>> >> >
>> >> > So, in a document that has never had header or footer content added,
>> >> > displaying formatting marks while the cursor is in the main story
>> >> > shows
>> >> > no
>> >> > paragraph mark in the header or footer. But doing the same thing
>> >> > in
>> >> > a
>> >> > document that at one time had header or footer content will show a
>> >> > paragraph
>> >> > mark in the now nearly empty header or footer.
>> >> >
>> >> > I suspect that the difference is between the capability of a
>> >> > header/footer
>> >> > and the user created reality of it.
>> >> >
>> >> > *But not too long ago, a Word MVP, offered a VBA way of getting rid
>> >> > of
>> >> > it.
>> >> > Sorry I can't recall where I saw it.
>> >> >
>> >> > PamC
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'm not surprised. I just wonder what Word is registering as a
>> >> >> change.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> >> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> >> >> Words into Type
>> >> >> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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