Before and After Paragraph spacing

Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a
measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set
for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set?

It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages
of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of
internationalization would be aware of.

On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey"
<gma... RemoveThis @mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> Mr. Daniels,
>
> As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have
> disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you
> and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered?
>
> To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware.  Still, he didn't
> need your post to make him so.  Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again
> your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry.
>
> Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of
> your own words),  This gives the appearance that you had.  Since you didn't
> post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just
> discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out
> your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or
> choose to explore yourself.  Then unwittingly you use the information those
> nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as
> close as Word can get.
>
> The answer to the basic question is still no.  Whatever is successfully set
> either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is
> still points.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you
> > posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to
> > Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice
> > from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will
> > translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without
> > the intervention of the user..
>
> > On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnh... RemoveThis @mvps.org> wrote:
> >> While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely
> >> that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so
> >> repetition is not a bad idea.
>
> >> --
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
>
> >> "Greg Maxey" <gma... RemoveThis @mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote in
> >> message
>
> >>news:%23Ct%23Mw9WKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> >>> Mr. Daniels,
>
> >>> Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's
> >>> reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails
> >>> and hammers over your empty box any day.
>
> >>> Cheers.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Greg Maxey
>
> >>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
> >>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>
> >>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... RemoveThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:61e83378-8598-4940-a8f1-01763d8b0e1b@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com....
> >>> Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space
> >>> After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as
> >>> close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for
> >>> calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement.
>
> >>> On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey"
> >>> <gma... RemoveThis @mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> >>>> Terry,
>
> >>>> AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to
> >>>> centimeters using
> >>>> Tools>Options>General>Measurement units but this has no effect on
> >>>> the units
> >>>> used in space before or after.
>
> >>>> Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to
> >>>> points
> >>>> using:
>
> >>>> Sub GetPointEquivelent()
> >>>> MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3)
> >>>> End Sub
>
> >>>> Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the
> >>>> space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could
> >>>> also set it directly using:
>
> >>>> Sub ScratchMaco()
> >>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3)
> >>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3)
> >>>> End Sub
>
> >>>> But again Word rounds it to 85.05.
>
> >>>> See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
>
> >>>> Terry Hollands wrote:
> >>>>> Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs
> >>>>> from 'pt' to 'cm'?
> >>>>> I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to
> >>>>> leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions
> >>>>> would be helpful. Thanks.

Mr. Daniels,

As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have
disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you
and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered?

To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he didn't
need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again
your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry.

Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of
your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't
post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just
discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out
your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or
choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those
nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as
close as Word can get.

The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set
either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is
still points.

Cheers.


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you
> posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to
> Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice
> from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will
> translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without
> the intervention of the user..
>
> On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnh... DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote:
>> While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely
>> that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so
>> repetition is not a bad idea.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
>>
>> "Greg Maxey" <gma... DeleteThis @mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote in
>> message
>>
>> news:%23Ct%23Mw9WKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mr. Daniels,
>>
>>> Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's
>>> reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails
>>> and hammers over your empty box any day.
>>
>>> Cheers.
>>
>>> --
>>> Greg Maxey
>>
>>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
>>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>>
>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma... DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:61e83378-8598-4940-a8f1-01763d8b0e1b@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>>> Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space
>>> After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as
>>> close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for
>>> calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement.
>>
>>> On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey"
>>> <gma... DeleteThis @mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
>>>> Terry,
>>
>>>> AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to
>>>> centimeters using
>>>> Tools>Options>General>Measurement units but this has no effect on
>>>> the units
>>>> used in space before or after.
>>
>>>> Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to
>>>> points
>>>> using:
>>
>>>> Sub GetPointEquivelent()
>>>> MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3)
>>>> End Sub
>>
>>>> Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the
>>>> space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could
>>>> also set it directly using:
>>
>>>> Sub ScratchMaco()
>>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3)
>>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3)
>>>> End Sub
>>
>>>> But again Word rounds it to 85.05.
>>
>>>> See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
>>
>>>> Terry Hollands wrote:
>>>>> Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs
>>>>> from 'pt' to 'cm'?
>>>>> I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to
>>>>> leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions
>>>>> would be helpful. Thanks.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Greg Maxey
>>
>>>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
>>>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.-

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

On Nov 3, 2:50 pm, "Greg Maxey"
<gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> Mr. Daniels,
>
> I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine.  However, I'll
> answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your
> propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally
> familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other
> people had posted

You are _really_ desperate for something to get nasty about, aren't
you! Terry's question was posted at 7:54 am, and the three responses
were posted at 8:15 and 8:16. (They probably became available to me
about 8:30.) On Mondays and Thursdays I have to leave the house by
8:15 to move the car for street cleaning, so I stop looking at
newsgroups around 7:45; and since it's bad for the engine to just
drive around the block, I do errands on those mornings. When I return,
I check the newsgroups to see if anything had been posted in the
previous two hours or so. On this occasion I came across Terry's
thread, which contained two nearly identical postings of the familiar
solution and one that suggested a rather baroque way of achieving the
same result that imposed a number of unnecessary steps on the user.
Since I had just withstood a spate of your usual abuse, I took the
opportunity to return -- not the abuse, but a response suggesting that
you take a bit of your own medicine and refrain from posting about
things you don't understand. (Though it does seem rather strange that
a supposed power user of Word didn't know that Word automatically
converts measurements.)

> gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one
> and that you didn't know.  As for books on the subject, there are books on
> the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner
> books.  Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything
> about that either.
>
> Back to my question that you avoided.  If you didn't post to help, then why
> did you post?  You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you
> where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years
> ago.  I have no interest in fighting with you.  I do seek a change in your
> arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word
> community for the offenses you have given past and present.

When you say that you have no interest in fighting, you are simply
lying.

You stand poised over the newsgroup to pounce on any (usually
mistakenly) perceived error and reprint your boilerplate abuse.

Yet you do not post abuse against anyone else who makes a (perceived)
error.

Once again, you harp on what you perceived as "picking a fight" two
years ago. All that happened two years ago was that you posted a rude
remark in response to an innocent query, and I questioned whether it
was appropriate for someone in a position of authority (the position
granted by the initials "MVP" that you recently renounced) to be rude
to an innocent poster.

You apparently stewed over this for more than a year, bringing it up
in some other context, when it had long been forgotten by everyone but
yourself.

Grow up.

> Enough of all of that though.  Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we
> can all learn something.  Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence
> has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a
> unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point.   So the, presumably
> accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and
> one twentieth) points.  This rounding, partly at least, explains why some
> fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'.

The fineness of measurement permitted by Word is very coarse in almost
every case -- point sizes in increments of .5, etc. Coming from
FrameMaker, where every measurement can be entered to three decimal
places, I found this crude indeed -- and in most cases, even two
decimal places are beyond Word's capacity.

> Break
>
> Terry,
>
> While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set programmatically,
> the display remains in points and the precise actual space can either be
> spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based on its
> measurement unit called a twip.  If your student were someone else's student
> he or she should now be armed to impress
>
> --
> Greg Maxey
>
> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:03dd7cfd-3d62-43aa-989f-90dd9a8c17f1@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
> Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a
> measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set
> for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set?
>
> It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages
> of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of
> internationalization would be aware of.
>
> On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey"
>
>
>
> <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> > Mr. Daniels,
>
> > As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have
> > disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you
> > and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered?
>
> > To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he
> > didn't
> > need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again
> > your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry.
>
> > Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of
> > your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't
> > post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just
> > discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out
> > your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or
> > choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those
> > nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as
> > close as Word can get.
>
> > The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set
> > either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is
> > still points.
>
> > Cheers.
>
> > Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you
> > > posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to
> > > Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice
> > > from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will
> > > translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without
> > > the intervention of the user..
>
> > > On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnh....RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote:
> > >> While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely
> > >> that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so
> > >> repetition is not a bad idea.
>
> > >> --
> > >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > >> Words into Type
> > >> Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
>
> > >> "Greg Maxey" <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote in
> > >> message
>
> > >>news:%23Ct%23Mw9WKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> > >>> Mr. Daniels,
>
> > >>> Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's
> > >>> reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails
> > >>> and hammers over your empty box any day.
>
> > >>> Cheers.
>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Greg Maxey
>
> > >>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
> > >>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>
> > >>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > >>>news:61e83378-8598-4940-a8f1-01763d8b0e1b@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> > >>> Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space
> > >>> After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as
> > >>> close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for
> > >>> calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement.
>
> > >>> On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey"
> > >>> <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> > >>>> Terry,
>
> > >>>> AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to
> > >>>> centimeters using
> > >>>> Tools>Options>General>Measurement units but this has no effect on
> > >>>> the units
> > >>>> used in space before or after.
>
> > >>>> Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to
> > >>>> points
> > >>>> using:
>
> > >>>> Sub GetPointEquivelent()
> > >>>> MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3)
> > >>>> End Sub
>
> > >>>> Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the
> > >>>> space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could
> > >>>> also set it directly using:
>
> > >>>> Sub ScratchMaco()
> > >>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3)
> > >>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3)
> > >>>> End Sub
>
> > >>>> But again Word rounds it to 85.05.
>
> > >>>> See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
>
> > >>>> Terry Hollands wrote:
> > >>>>> Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs
> > >>>>> from 'pt' to 'cm'?
> > >>>>> I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to
> > >>>>> leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions
> > >>>>> would be helpful. Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Mr. Daniels,

I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine. However, I'll
answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your
propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only marginally
familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after three other
people had posted gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one
and that you didn't know. As for books on the subject, there are books on
the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even beginner
books. Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of anything
about that either.

Back to my question that you avoided. If you didn't post to help, then why
did you post? You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that you
where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two years
ago. I have no interest in fighting with you. I do seek a change in your
arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the Word
community for the offenses you have given past and present.

Enough of all of that though. Your diatribe is not wasted and perhaps we
can all learn something. Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate correspondence
has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within Word is a
unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point. So the, presumably
accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05 (85 and
one twentieth) points. This rounding, partly at least, explains why some
fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'.

Break

Terry,

While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set programmatically,
the display remains in points and the precise actual space can either be
spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based on its
measurement unit called a twip. If your student were someone else's student
he or she should now be armed to impress


--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:03dd7cfd-3d62-43aa-989f-90dd9a8c17f1@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a
measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is set
for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set?

It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages
of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of
internationalization would be aware of.

On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey"
<gma....TakeThisOut@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> Mr. Daniels,
>
> As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have
> disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to give you
> and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was it offered?
>
> To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he
> didn't
> need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice (again
> your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and Terry.
>
> Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight altering of
> your own words), This gives the appearance that you had. Since you didn't
> post to help it appears that you were simply parroting what you had just
> discovered yourself, thanks to Ms. Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out
> your scorn on more advanced features of Word that you don't understand or
> choose to explore yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those
> nails and hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as
> close as Word can get.
>
> The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is successfully set
> either in the field or programatically the unit of measure displayed is
> still points.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of you
> > posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as help to
> > Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less good advice
> > from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware that Word will
> > translate measures typed in a measurement box into other units without
> > the intervention of the user..
>
> > On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnh....TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote:
> >> While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely
> >> that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so
> >> repetition is not a bad idea.
>
> >> --
> >> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> >> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> >> Words into Type
> >> Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
>
> >> "Greg Maxey" <gma....TakeThisOut@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote in
> >> message
>
> >>news:%23Ct%23Mw9WKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
> >>> Mr. Daniels,
>
> >>> Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms. Barnhill's
> >>> reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll take my nails
> >>> and hammers over your empty box any day.
>
> >>> Cheers.
>
> >>> --
> >>> Greg Maxey
>
> >>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
> >>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>
> >>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma....TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:61e83378-8598-4940-a8f1-01763d8b0e1b@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space
> >>> After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as
> >>> close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for
> >>> calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement.
>
> >>> On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey"
> >>> <gma....TakeThisOut@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
> >>>> Terry,
>
> >>>> AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to
> >>>> centimeters using
> >>>> Tools>Options>General>Measurement units but this has no effect on
> >>>> the units
> >>>> used in space before or after.
>
> >>>> Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert cm to
> >>>> points
> >>>> using:
>
> >>>> Sub GetPointEquivelent()
> >>>> MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3)
> >>>> End Sub
>
> >>>> Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into the
> >>>> space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You could
> >>>> also set it directly using:
>
> >>>> Sub ScratchMaco()
> >>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3)
> >>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3)
> >>>> End Sub
>
> >>>> But again Word rounds it to 85.05.
>
> >>>> See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
>
> >>>> Terry Hollands wrote:
> >>>>> Is it possible to change the spacing before and after paragraphs
> >>>>> from 'pt' to 'cm'?
> >>>>> I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to
> >>>>> leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions
> >>>>> would be helpful. Thanks.

The only thing of substance that rises to the top of this childish tirade
and in a round about way is, "Yes, I was continuing a fight." Glad that is
cleared up.



Amongst the other white noise, including your rather boring Monday and
Thursday schedules, you whine about perceived abuses and fuss over why it is
only you that gets abused.



Read some of your own posts Mr. Daniels. Brace yourself though. The sense
of superiority and raw unbridled arrogance many of them contain may shake
you to your very hollow core. If you can stand them and if as you read, try
to imagine how your delivery is perceived by other people. If you do then
surely the fog will lift. You will see that the perceived abuse is not over
your errors or mistakes, but your manner and delivery. You will understand
why changing your behavior remains a worthwhile cause.



We have yet to hear from Terry, but in view of the discussion and replies to
his post, I have no doubt that typing "3 cm" in the UI is the answer for
what his student is trying to do. I concede that without whining or
protest.



Still, the answer to the question asked is no. Spacing before or after
paragraphs are displayed in points and set in twips. This is true
regardless which valid unit of measure is entered via the UI or set
programmatically. The hammers and nails illustrate the approximation and
Tony Jollans provided and explanation of the rounding.



I am now going to leave this particular field because I see no need to
remain. Up to this point you are doing a fantastic job of pointing out in
yourself the very arrogance and misbehavior that I often challenge. You are
spanking yourself so to speak. Next perhaps you will be arguing with
yourself and calling yourself names.



Cheers.


Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Nov 3, 2:50 pm, "Greg Maxey"
> <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
>> Mr. Daniels,
>>
>> I don't mind answering your questions while you avoid mine. However,
>> I'll
>> answer with another question. Why would I suppose you did? Given your
>> propensity to offer your opinion in areas where you are only
>> marginally
>> familiar with subject, your silence on this subject until after
>> three other
>> people had posted
>
> You are _really_ desperate for something to get nasty about, aren't
> you! Terry's question was posted at 7:54 am, and the three responses
> were posted at 8:15 and 8:16. (They probably became available to me
> about 8:30.) On Mondays and Thursdays I have to leave the house by
> 8:15 to move the car for street cleaning, so I stop looking at
> newsgroups around 7:45; and since it's bad for the engine to just
> drive around the block, I do errands on those mornings. When I return,
> I check the newsgroups to see if anything had been posted in the
> previous two hours or so. On this occasion I came across Terry's
> thread, which contained two nearly identical postings of the familiar
> solution and one that suggested a rather baroque way of achieving the
> same result that imposed a number of unnecessary steps on the user.
> Since I had just withstood a spate of your usual abuse, I took the
> opportunity to return -- not the abuse, but a response suggesting that
> you take a bit of your own medicine and refrain from posting about
> things you don't understand. (Though it does seem rather strange that
> a supposed power user of Word didn't know that Word automatically
> converts measurements.)
>
>> gave the appearance that you are not an expert in this one
>> and that you didn't know. As for books on the subject, there are
>> books on
>> the subject of VBA (nails and hammers as you call it) as well, even
>> beginner
>> books. Still I feel safe in supposing that you don't know much of
>> anything
>> about that either.
>>
>> Back to my question that you avoided. If you didn't post to help,
>> then why
>> did you post? You have left those who "may" wonder to suppose that
>> you
>> where simply continuing a fight that you picked with me almost two
>> years
>> ago. I have no interest in fighting with you. I do seek a change in
>> your
>> arrogant manner and behavior and I encourage you to apologize to the
>> Word
>> community for the offenses you have given past and present.
>
> When you say that you have no interest in fighting, you are simply
> lying.
>
> You stand poised over the newsgroup to pounce on any (usually
> mistakenly) perceived error and reprint your boilerplate abuse.
>
> Yet you do not post abuse against anyone else who makes a (perceived)
> error.
>
> Once again, you harp on what you perceived as "picking a fight" two
> years ago. All that happened two years ago was that you posted a rude
> remark in response to an innocent query, and I questioned whether it
> was appropriate for someone in a position of authority (the position
> granted by the initials "MVP" that you recently renounced) to be rude
> to an innocent poster.
>
> You apparently stewed over this for more than a year, bringing it up
> in some other context, when it had long been forgotten by everyone but
> yourself.
>
> Grow up.
>
>> Enough of all of that though. Your diatribe is not wasted and
>> perhaps we
>> can all learn something. Word MVP Tony Jollans in separate
>> correspondence
>> has graciously explained that the internal measurement unit within
>> Word is a
>> unit called a "twip" which equals 1/20th of a point. So the,
>> presumably
>> accurate (it too is rounded), 85.0397 is further rounded to 85.05
>> (85 and
>> one twentieth) points. This rounding, partly at least, explains why
>> some
>> fine adjustments cannot be made, or appear not to 'take'.
>
> The fineness of measurement permitted by Word is very coarse in almost
> every case -- point sizes in increments of .5, etc. Coming from
> FrameMaker, where every measurement can be entered to three decimal
> places, I found this crude indeed -- and in most cases, even two
> decimal places are beyond Word's capacity.
>
>> Break
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> While 3 cm can be entered directly into the field or set
>> programmatically,
>> the display remains in points and the precise actual space can
>> either be
>> spot on or something very close that Word works out internally based
>> on its
>> measurement unit called a twip. If your student were someone else's
>> student
>> he or she should now be armed to impress
>>
>> --
>> Greg Maxey
>>
>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:03dd7cfd-3d62-43aa-989f-90dd9a8c17f1@m13g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...
>> Why would you suppose that I did not know that if you type a
>> measurement in a box, specifying a unit other than what the box is
>> set
>> for, Word will substitute the value for which the box is set?
>>
>> It seems a fairly basic bit of knowledge (found in the opening pages
>> of any basic Word book) that anyone who's dealt with any sort of
>> internationalization would be aware of.
>>
>> On Nov 3, 5:55 am, "Greg Maxey"
>>
>>
>>
>> <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
>>> Mr. Daniels,
>>
>>> As your post was not offered as help (in your own words), you have
>>> disassociated yourself from any credit that Ms. Barnhill tried to
>>> give you and "may "leave some in the group to wonder just why was
>>> it offered?
>>
>>> To remove all doubt as to appearances, Greg was not aware. Still, he
>>> didn't
>>> need your post to make him so. Ms. Barnhill's post was good advice
>>> (again your own words) and took care of that for both Greg and
>>> Terry.
>>
>>> Greg had not seen Ms. Barnhill or Stefan's postings (a slight
>>> altering of your own words), This gives the appearance that you
>>> had. Since you didn't post to help it appears that you were simply
>>> parroting what you had just discovered yourself, thanks to Ms.
>>> Barnhill and Stephan, while pouring out your scorn on more advanced
>>> features of Word that you don't understand or choose to explore
>>> yourself. Then unwittingly you use the information those nails and
>>> hammers provide to confirm yourself that the conversion is as close
>>> as Word can get.
>>
>>> The answer to the basic question is still no. Whatever is
>>> successfully set either in the field or programatically the unit of
>>> measure displayed is still points.
>>
>>> Cheers.
>>
>>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>> Greg had not seen your and Stefan's postings, because the three of
>>>> you posted nearly simultaneously. My posting was not offered as
>>>> help to Terry, who got good advice from you and Stefan and less
>>>> good advice from Greg, who gave the appearance of being unaware
>>>> that Word will translate measures typed in a measurement box into
>>>> other units without the intervention of the user..
>>
>>>> On Nov 2, 12:02 pm, "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnh....RemoveThis@mvps.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> While Peter may have been able to see my post, it's quite likely
>>>>> that those connnecting through the MS Communities cannot, so
>>>>> repetition is not a bad idea.
>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>>>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>>>> Words into Type
>>>>> Fairhope, Alabama USAhttp://word.mvps.org
>>
>>>>> "Greg Maxey" <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote in
>>>>> message
>>
>>>>> news:%23Ct%23Mw9WKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>>>> Mr. Daniels,
>>
>>>>>> Thank you for passing on what you have learned from Ms.
>>>>>> Barnhill's reply posted 2 hours and 6 minutes previously. I'll
>>>>>> take my nails and hammers over your empty box any day.
>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Greg Maxey
>>
>>>>>> See my web sitehttp://gregmaxey.mvps.org
>>>>>> for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.
>>
>>>>>> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma....RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:61e83378-8598-4940-a8f1-01763d8b0e1b@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Once again, nails and hammers. If you type "3 cm" into the "Space
>>>>>> After" (or "Space Before") box, Word gives you spacing that's as
>>>>>> close to 3 cm as it can get. No need either for a macro, or for
>>>>>> calculating the pt equivalent of the cm measurement.
>>
>>>>>> On Nov 2, 8:16 am, "Greg Maxey"
>>>>>> <gma....RemoveThis@mIKEvICTORpAPAsIERRA.oSCARrOMEOgOLF> wrote:
>>>>>>> Terry,
>>
>>>>>>> AFAIK, no. You can change the default unit of measure to
>>>>>>> centimeters using
>>>>>>> Tools>Options>General>Measurement units but this has no effect
>>>>>>> on the units
>>>>>>> used in space before or after.
>>
>>>>>>> Even programmatically you can only get close. You can convert
>>>>>>> cm to points
>>>>>>> using:
>>
>>>>>>> Sub GetPointEquivelent()
>>>>>>> MsgBox CentimetersToPoints(3)
>>>>>>> End Sub
>>
>>>>>>> Which returns 85.03937. However if this value is entered into
>>>>>>> the space before or after field Word rounds it to 85.05. You
>>>>>>> could also set it directly using:
>>
>>>>>>> Sub ScratchMaco()
>>>>>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceBefore = CentimetersToPoints(3)
>>>>>>> Selection.ParagraphFormat.SpaceAfter = CentimetersToPoints(3)
>>>>>>> End Sub
>>
>>>>>>> But again Word rounds it to 85.05.
>>
>>>>>>> See:http://www.gmayor.com/installing_macro.htm
>>
>>>>>>> Terry Hollands wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is it possible to change the spacing before and after
>>>>>>>> paragraphs from 'pt' to 'cm'?
>>>>>>>> I have a student doing some text processing and she is asked to
>>>>>>>> leave a space of 3cm between a paragraph. Any other suggestions
>>>>>>>> would be helpful. Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

--
Greg Maxey

See my web site http://gregmaxey.mvps.org
for an eclectic collection of Word Tips.