(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Higher Unicode characters [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>word>printingfonts (more info?)
Until a couple of years ago, one was able to download "Arial Unicode MS"
from MS, but all download links were removed AFAIK.
Klaus
"Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote:
>> > Occasionally, when exchaning documents with other co-workers,
>> > it happens that one person cannot open a document because
>> > Word reports that it cannot read the characters and it pops up the
>> > Unicode conversion dialogue box. I have never been able to use
>> > that dialogue box to succesfully convert characters... Whenever I
>> > see that dialogue, I pretty much know that the document has become
>> > useless. So, why would a document saved in Word by one
>> > person become unreadable for another person also using Word?
>>
>> Not sure, and I haven't seen that message yet.
>>
>> I'd make sure "Arial Unicode MS" is installed on all machines. It
>> contains
>> every Unicode character (in Unicode Version 2, which is all Office
>> supports
>> AFAIK).
>> That way, the machine should be able to deal with any character you throw
>> at
>> it.
>>
>> In the Office setup, it's somewhere under "Office common features >
>> International support > Universal font" or something like that.
>
> Thanks for the tip...
> I did find it in the Office Shared features, but I need the installation
> CD,
> which I do not have at work... Now I have to call the IT people to get
> them
> to install that feature... But they know me now... I keep calling for them
> to
> install stuff on my machine... The first of which was the VBA help files
> which were not installed by default where I work...
(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Higher Unicode characters [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
But it is supplied with all versions of Windows and/or Office, isn't it?
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Klaus Linke" <info DeleteThis @fotosatz-kaufmann.de> wrote in message
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> Until a couple of years ago, one was able to download "Arial Unicode MS"
> from MS, but all download links were removed AFAIK.
>
> Klaus
>
>
> "Jean-Guy Marcil" wrote:
>>> > Occasionally, when exchaning documents with other co-workers,
>>> > it happens that one person cannot open a document because
>>> > Word reports that it cannot read the characters and it pops up the
>>> > Unicode conversion dialogue box. I have never been able to use
>>> > that dialogue box to succesfully convert characters... Whenever I
>>> > see that dialogue, I pretty much know that the document has become
>>> > useless. So, why would a document saved in Word by one
>>> > person become unreadable for another person also using Word?
>>>
>>> Not sure, and I haven't seen that message yet.
>>>
>>> I'd make sure "Arial Unicode MS" is installed on all machines. It
>>> contains
>>> every Unicode character (in Unicode Version 2, which is all Office
>>> supports
>>> AFAIK).
>>> That way, the machine should be able to deal with any character you
>>> throw at
>>> it.
>>>
>>> In the Office setup, it's somewhere under "Office common features >
>>> International support > Universal font" or something like that.
>>
>> Thanks for the tip...
>> I did find it in the Office Shared features, but I need the installation
>> CD,
>> which I do not have at work... Now I have to call the IT people to get
>> them
>> to install that feature... But they know me now... I keep calling for
>> them to
>> install stuff on my machine... The first of which was the VBA help files
>> which were not installed by default where I work...
>
>
(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:02 pm
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Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
> But it is supplied with all versions of Windows and/or Office, isn't it?
It's been included with MS Office since at least Office 2000 (and I
assume the Mac equivalents) but not with Windows.
(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:30 pm
Post subject: Re: Higher Unicode characters - Correction [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Character wrote:
> Suzanne S. Barnhill wrote:
>
>> But it is supplied with all versions of Windows and/or Office, isn't it?
>
>
> It's been included with MS Office since at least Office 2000 (and I
> assume the Mac equivalents) but not with Windows.
>
According to the MS website, ".. if you are using Microsoft Windows
XP, the universal font for Unicode is automatically installed"
It also states:
"Because of its considerable size and the typographic compromises
required to make such a font, Arial Unicode MS should be used only
when you can't use multiple fonts tuned for different writing systems.
For example, if you have multilingual data from many different writing
systems in Microsoft Access, you can use Arial Unicode MS as the font
to display the data tables, because Access can't accept many different
fonts"
(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:25 pm
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"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote:
> But it is supplied with all versions of Windows and/or Office, isn't it?
Yes, but it's a real PITA if everybody you send some doc to has to find
his/her installation disks or call their administrator.
I think Microsoft should have the ressources to buy *one* Unicode font with
all the glyphs and make it freeware.
(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:25 pm
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Klaus Linke wrote:
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>> But it is supplied with all versions of Windows and/or Office, isn't it?
> Yes, but it's a real PITA if everybody you send some doc to has to find
> his/her installation disks or call their administrator.
Simply embed the font (the used subset) in your document.
> I think Microsoft should have the ressources to buy *one* Unicode font
> with all the glyphs.
NO font can have "all" the million or so unicode characters. The sfnt
space (64K)isn't big enough. And unicode defines CHARACTERS, not
GLYPHS. It does NOT define things like alternate glyphs for a given
character; however, OPENTYPE does - theoretically you could have an
infinitely large font!
Apple's built-in "LastResort" font [included with the OS] does some
interesting things -
> and make it freeware.
Agree - or at least include it with Windows instead of an application.
(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:25 pm
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All the more reason to use PDFs.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Klaus Linke" <info.DeleteThis@fotosatz-kaufmann.de> wrote in message
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> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote:
>> But it is supplied with all versions of Windows and/or Office, isn't it?
>
> Yes, but it's a real PITA if everybody you send some doc to has to find
> his/her installation disks or call their administrator.
>
> I think Microsoft should have the ressources to buy *one* Unicode font
> with all the glyphs and make it freeware.
>
> Regards,
> Klaus
(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:46 pm
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>> Yes, but it's a real PITA if everybody you send some doc to has to find
>> his/her installation disks or call their administrator.
"Character" wrote:
> Simply embed the font (the used subset) in your document.
A good idea in principle, but sometimes does not work in practice.
Say I just sent out some text for a dozen authors, so they add translations
and phonetics in different languages.
I just don't know ahead of time which characters they're going to need/use.
Especially the phonetics characters are all over the place in Unicode,
scattered over many different blocks.
I prepared styles for the translation and phonetics using Arial Unicode MS,
but not unexpectedly, quite a few of them called me because they didn't have
the font installed and couldn't follow my instructions for installing it.
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