DOC file format files

Hi Macropod,

thanks for your answer.
Anyway, if you're talking about the extension ".doc" then you're right
because from Word 97 to Word 2007 the extension doesn't changed (in Word
2007 it is introduced the docx also).
But I don't mean the extension, I mean the the internal doc file format:
the compound binary file format and the various structures each version of
word saves into it. Each version of Word saves some slightly different
information, so this is the reason why I need different doc file from each
of Word version.

I was looking into the web, but there was a lot of Word related information
and nothing about some doc files as examples...

Thank you
roberto

if you mean
"macropod" <macropod.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Hi robbio,
>
> Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Word 2007 can use that format
> too, but also has two new formats of its own - docx and docm. I'm sure a
> web search would soon turn up some examples.
>
> --
> Cheers
> macropod
> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>
>
> "robbio" <roberto674.TakeThisOut@supereva.it> wrote in message
> news:ODYJFd59IHA.6052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Hi at all,
>>
>> I need different doc files, that is doc files created from each version
>> of Microsoft Word: Word97, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2007.
>> Where I can find these example doc files?
>>
>> Thank you in advance
>> roberto
>>
>>
>

If you can tell me how to tell them apart, I have all of those, and more
besides. (The ones you listed are NOT the only DOC formats that exist, not
by a LONG shot.)

If you want to send me couple hundred dollars, I'll install each version of
Word (except 95/6, cause I don't think I have that one, but just maybe) and
create you a copy using the text/images of your choice for each.

What's your need, if I may ask? Perhaps to find out the answer to the
question in my first sentence, above?

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"robbio" <roberto674 DeleteThis @supereva.it> wrote in message
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> Hi Macropod,
>
> thanks for your answer.
> Anyway, if you're talking about the extension ".doc" then you're right
> because from Word 97 to Word 2007 the extension doesn't changed (in Word
> 2007 it is introduced the docx also).
> But I don't mean the extension, I mean the the internal doc file format:
> the compound binary file format and the various structures each version of
> word saves into it. Each version of Word saves some slightly different
> information, so this is the reason why I need different doc file from each
> of Word version.
>
> I was looking into the web, but there was a lot of Word related
> information and nothing about some doc files as examples...
>
> Thank you
> roberto
>
> if you mean
> "macropod" <macropod DeleteThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uhA0Rs89IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi robbio,
>>
>> Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Word 2007 can use that format
>> too, but also has two new formats of its own - docx and docm. I'm sure a
>> web search would soon turn up some examples.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> macropod
>> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>>
>>
>> "robbio" <roberto674 DeleteThis @supereva.it> wrote in message
>> news:ODYJFd59IHA.6052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi at all,
>>>
>>> I need different doc files, that is doc files created from each version
>>> of Microsoft Word: Word97, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2007.
>>> Where I can find these example doc files?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance
>>> roberto
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Hi robbio,

As previously stated, Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Whilst each version might store slightly different information in
the file, the format is the same. And AFAIK, there is no way to tell which of these versions was used to create a document if its
later been edited in a different version. And don't forget the various Mac versions of Word that have also used the same file
format.

--
Cheers
macropod
[MVP - Microsoft Word]


"robbio" <roberto674 RemoveThis @supereva.it> wrote in message news:%23bzDBBC%23IHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Macropod,
>
> thanks for your answer.
> Anyway, if you're talking about the extension ".doc" then you're right because from Word 97 to Word 2007 the extension doesn't
> changed (in Word 2007 it is introduced the docx also).
> But I don't mean the extension, I mean the the internal doc file format: the compound binary file format and the various
> structures each version of word saves into it. Each version of Word saves some slightly different information, so this is the
> reason why I need different doc file from each of Word version.
>
> I was looking into the web, but there was a lot of Word related information and nothing about some doc files as examples...
>
> Thank you
> roberto
>
> if you mean
> "macropod" <macropod RemoveThis @invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:uhA0Rs89IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi robbio,
>>
>> Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Word 2007 can use that format too, but also has two new formats of its own - docx and
>> docm. I'm sure a web search would soon turn up some examples.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> macropod
>> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>>
>>
>> "robbio" <roberto674 RemoveThis @supereva.it> wrote in message news:ODYJFd59IHA.6052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi at all,
>>>
>>> I need different doc files, that is doc files created from each version of Microsoft Word: Word97, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2007.
>>> Where I can find these example doc files?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance
>>> roberto
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

I got a question for you, macropod. When does a format become a different
format? If there's no real difference in Word 97-2003 format, why does my
Word 2003 offer to save in "97-2002 & 6.0/95 - RTF (*.doc)" format. Just
what the heck kind of format is that, anyway? And, since you say that there
*are* minor differences in each version, is anything lost when opening a
newer version's product in an older version of Word (referring only to
versions 97 through 2003.) Is *no* conversion required? Because I could
swear recalling notices to the effect that due to the version of the DOC
file being newer, some features or whatever you want to call them, may be
lost?

Seriously, it's been asked of me to explain all this stuff, so I could use
some help. I *could* figure out some of this myself, I suppose, but it would
take quite a while (not including searching my archives for all the
installers.)

What defines "format" for Office documents? Is there some definitive spec
sheet that lays it all out? Some document that lists the specific
differences between the various "different but the same" formats encompassed
by Word 97 thru 2003 (other than the notation in the file?) Or at least
between that/those *.DOC format(s) and Word 2007 formats? (I'm sure the last
one exists in at least one expression. I ask only in hopes of getting the
best info.)

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"macropod" <macropod.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> Hi robbio,
>
> As previously stated, Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Whilst
> each version might store slightly different information in the file, the
> format is the same. And AFAIK, there is no way to tell which of these
> versions was used to create a document if its later been edited in a
> different version. And don't forget the various Mac versions of Word that
> have also used the same file format.
>
> --
> Cheers
> macropod
> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>
>
> "robbio" <roberto674.TakeThisOut@supereva.it> wrote in message
> news:%23bzDBBC%23IHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Macropod,
>>
>> thanks for your answer.
>> Anyway, if you're talking about the extension ".doc" then you're right
>> because from Word 97 to Word 2007 the extension doesn't changed (in Word
>> 2007 it is introduced the docx also).
>> But I don't mean the extension, I mean the the internal doc file format:
>> the compound binary file format and the various structures each version
>> of word saves into it. Each version of Word saves some slightly different
>> information, so this is the reason why I need different doc file from
>> each of Word version.
>>
>> I was looking into the web, but there was a lot of Word related
>> information and nothing about some doc files as examples...
>>
>> Thank you
>> roberto
>>
>> if you mean
>> "macropod" <macropod.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uhA0Rs89IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi robbio,
>>>
>>> Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Word 2007 can use that
>>> format too, but also has two new formats of its own - docx and docm. I'm
>>> sure a web search would soon turn up some examples.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> macropod
>>> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>>>
>>>
>>> "robbio" <roberto674.TakeThisOut@supereva.it> wrote in message
>>> news:ODYJFd59IHA.6052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi at all,
>>>>
>>>> I need different doc files, that is doc files created from each version
>>>> of Microsoft Word: Word97, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2007.
>>>> Where I can find these example doc files?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>> roberto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

The basic format is the same, but features introduced in newer versions will
not be understood by older versions. Somewhere in the file there are codes
that identify version written and oldest version compatible, or something of
the sort.

The file formats are now public: see
http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/OfficeBinaryFormats.mspx

--
Enjoy,
Tony

"robbio" <roberto674.DeleteThis@supereva.it> wrote in message
news:%23bzDBBC%23IHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Hi Macropod,
>
> thanks for your answer.
> Anyway, if you're talking about the extension ".doc" then you're right
> because from Word 97 to Word 2007 the extension doesn't changed (in Word
> 2007 it is introduced the docx also).
> But I don't mean the extension, I mean the the internal doc file format:
> the compound binary file format and the various structures each version of
> word saves into it. Each version of Word saves some slightly different
> information, so this is the reason why I need different doc file from each
> of Word version.
>
> I was looking into the web, but there was a lot of Word related
> information and nothing about some doc files as examples...
>
> Thank you
> roberto
>
> if you mean
> "macropod" <macropod.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uhA0Rs89IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi robbio,
>>
>> Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Word 2007 can use that format
>> too, but also has two new formats of its own - docx and docm. I'm sure a
>> web search would soon turn up some examples.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> macropod
>> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>>
>>
>> "robbio" <roberto674.DeleteThis@supereva.it> wrote in message
>> news:ODYJFd59IHA.6052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi at all,
>>>
>>> I need different doc files, that is doc files created from each version
>>> of Microsoft Word: Word97, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2007.
>>> Where I can find these example doc files?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance
>>> roberto
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Thanks! Probably more than my poor brain can understand, but it's a start.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User
http://grystmill.com

"Tony Jollans" <My forename at my surname dot com> wrote in message
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> The basic format is the same, but features introduced in newer versions
> will not be understood by older versions. Somewhere in the file there are
> codes that identify version written and oldest version compatible, or
> something of the sort.
>
> The file formats are now public: see
> http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/OfficeBinaryFormats.mspx
>
> --
> Enjoy,
> Tony
>
> "robbio" <roberto674.RemoveThis@supereva.it> wrote in message
> news:%23bzDBBC%23IHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Hi Macropod,
>>
>> thanks for your answer.
>> Anyway, if you're talking about the extension ".doc" then you're right
>> because from Word 97 to Word 2007 the extension doesn't changed (in Word
>> 2007 it is introduced the docx also).
>> But I don't mean the extension, I mean the the internal doc file format:
>> the compound binary file format and the various structures each version
>> of word saves into it. Each version of Word saves some slightly different
>> information, so this is the reason why I need different doc file from
>> each of Word version.
>>
>> I was looking into the web, but there was a lot of Word related
>> information and nothing about some doc files as examples...
>>
>> Thank you
>> roberto
>>
>> if you mean
>> "macropod" <macropod.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uhA0Rs89IHA.2332@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Hi robbio,
>>>
>>> Word 97-2003 all used the same file format. Word 2007 can use that
>>> format too, but also has two new formats of its own - docx and docm. I'm
>>> sure a web search would soon turn up some examples.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers
>>> macropod
>>> [MVP - Microsoft Word]
>>>
>>>
>>> "robbio" <roberto674.RemoveThis@supereva.it> wrote in message
>>> news:ODYJFd59IHA.6052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Hi at all,
>>>>
>>>> I need different doc files, that is doc files created from each version
>>>> of Microsoft Word: Word97, 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2007.
>>>> Where I can find these example doc files?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>> roberto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>