(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:04 am
Post subject: Correct display of Document Map... Archived from groups: microsoft>public>word>numbering (more info?)
Greetings!
I've read http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html document
and cannot figure out a point:
___
Document Map won't show numbering on a heading that immediately follows a
hard page break. ... better, use the "Keep with Next" setting to keep the
paragraph on the same page as the next paragraph. Or, better still, format
your document using styles that have been modified with an appropriate "Keep
with next" setting.
___
What does the latter mean?
How can I have a page break by using "Keep with Next" setting?
(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:52 am
Post subject: Re: Correct display of Document Map... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
You can't force a page break with a single "Keep with next" paragraph, but
if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually the page
will break. Heading styles 1-4 are by default formatted as KWN so they'll
stay with following text, and often that's all you need. If you want a given
heading always to begin a new page, you can format it as "Page break
before"; though I don't know what implications that has for the Document
Map, it certainly forestalls other problems (such as a paragraph on the
previous page inheriting shading from the heading style).
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Andrey Kazak" <AKazak DeleteThis @online.ru> wrote in message
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> Greetings!
>
> I've read http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html document
> and cannot figure out a point:
> ___
> Document Map won't show numbering on a heading that immediately follows a
> hard page break. ... better, use the "Keep with Next" setting to keep the
> paragraph on the same page as the next paragraph. Or, better still, format
> your document using styles that have been modified with an appropriate
> "Keep with next" setting.
> ___
>
> What does the latter mean?
> How can I have a page break by using "Keep with Next" setting?
>
>
(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Correct display of Document Map... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually the
page
will break...."
Can you show an example please?
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.DeleteThis@mvps.org> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
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> You can't force a page break with a single "Keep with next" paragraph, but
> if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually the
> page will break. Heading styles 1-4 are by default formatted as KWN so
> they'll stay with following text, and often that's all you need. If you
> want a given heading always to begin a new page, you can format it as
> "Page break before"; though I don't know what implications that has for
> the Document Map, it certainly forestalls other problems (such as a
> paragraph on the previous page inheriting shading from the heading style).
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "Andrey Kazak" <AKazak.DeleteThis@online.ru> wrote in message
> news:%23RoR6hI6IHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I've read http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html document
>> and cannot figure out a point:
>> ___
>> Document Map won't show numbering on a heading that immediately follows a
>> hard page break. ... better, use the "Keep with Next" setting to keep the
>> paragraph on the same page as the next paragraph. Or, better still,
>> format your document using styles that have been modified with an
>> appropriate "Keep with next" setting.
>> ___
>>
>> What does the latter mean?
>> How can I have a page break by using "Keep with Next" setting?
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:01 pm
Post subject: Re: Correct display of Document Map... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
If you apply "Keep with next" (and "Keep lines together" if necessary)
formatting to several paragraphs, too many to fit on the current page, the
entire block will move to the next page. But "Keep with next" should not be
regarded as a substitute for "Page break before." Instead, "Keep with next"
should be used to keep together paragraphs that should not be separated.
That is, you can prevent Word from inserting a page break between two
paragraphs, but if you want to force Word to insert a paragraph break at a
certain point, then "Keep with next" is not the best way to accomplish it.
The principle here is that a page break (either a manual page break or "Page
break before" formatting) should be used whenever you absolutely always want
a page break (after a cover page, at the end of a TOC, at the beginning of a
chapter); "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" should be used to
prevent awkward page breaks as copy is edited and reflows.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Andrey Kazak" <AKazak.TakeThisOut@online.ru> wrote in message
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> "but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually
> the page
> will break...."
>
> Can you show an example please?
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:u5iNfXN6IHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> You can't force a page break with a single "Keep with next" paragraph,
>> but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually
>> the page will break. Heading styles 1-4 are by default formatted as KWN
>> so they'll stay with following text, and often that's all you need. If
>> you want a given heading always to begin a new page, you can format it as
>> "Page break before"; though I don't know what implications that has for
>> the Document Map, it certainly forestalls other problems (such as a
>> paragraph on the previous page inheriting shading from the heading
>> style).
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "Andrey Kazak" <AKazak.TakeThisOut@online.ru> wrote in message
>> news:%23RoR6hI6IHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Greetings!
>>>
>>> I've read http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html >>> document and cannot figure out a point:
>>> ___
>>> Document Map won't show numbering on a heading that immediately follows
>>> a hard page break. ... better, use the "Keep with Next" setting to keep
>>> the paragraph on the same page as the next paragraph. Or, better still,
>>> format your document using styles that have been modified with an
>>> appropriate "Keep with next" setting.
>>> ___
>>>
>>> What does the latter mean?
>>> How can I have a page break by using "Keep with Next" setting?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:50 am
Post subject: Re: Correct display of Document Map... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
It's clear to me now.
Thank you, Suzanne!
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill RemoveThis @mvps.org> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
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> If you apply "Keep with next" (and "Keep lines together" if necessary)
> formatting to several paragraphs, too many to fit on the current page, the
> entire block will move to the next page. But "Keep with next" should not
> be regarded as a substitute for "Page break before." Instead, "Keep with
> next" should be used to keep together paragraphs that should not be
> separated. That is, you can prevent Word from inserting a page break
> between two paragraphs, but if you want to force Word to insert a
> paragraph break at a certain point, then "Keep with next" is not the best
> way to accomplish it.
>
> The principle here is that a page break (either a manual page break or
> "Page break before" formatting) should be used whenever you absolutely
> always want a page break (after a cover page, at the end of a TOC, at the
> beginning of a chapter); "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together" should
> be used to prevent awkward page breaks as copy is edited and reflows.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>
> "Andrey Kazak" <AKazak RemoveThis @online.ru> wrote in message
> news:Ok61i7N6IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> "but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually
>> the page
>> will break...."
>>
>> Can you show an example please?
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill RemoveThis @mvps.org> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:u5iNfXN6IHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> You can't force a page break with a single "Keep with next" paragraph,
>>> but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually
>>> the page will break. Heading styles 1-4 are by default formatted as KWN
>>> so they'll stay with following text, and often that's all you need. If
>>> you want a given heading always to begin a new page, you can format it
>>> as "Page break before"; though I don't know what implications that has
>>> for the Document Map, it certainly forestalls other problems (such as a
>>> paragraph on the previous page inheriting shading from the heading
>>> style).
>>>
>>> --
>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>> Words into Type
>>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>>
>>> "Andrey Kazak" <AKazak RemoveThis @online.ru> wrote in message
>>> news:%23RoR6hI6IHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Greetings!
>>>>
>>>> I've read http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html >>>> document and cannot figure out a point:
>>>> ___
>>>> Document Map won't show numbering on a heading that immediately follows
>>>> a hard page break. ... better, use the "Keep with Next" setting to keep
>>>> the paragraph on the same page as the next paragraph. Or, better still,
>>>> format your document using styles that have been modified with an
>>>> appropriate "Keep with next" setting.
>>>> ___
>>>>
>>>> What does the latter mean?
>>>> How can I have a page break by using "Keep with Next" setting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:50 am
Post subject: Re: Correct display of Document Map... [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Glad to help.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
"Andrey Kazak" <AKazak DeleteThis @online.ru> wrote in message
news:e$dH4uW6IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> It's clear to me now.
>
> Thank you, Suzanne!
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill DeleteThis @mvps.org> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:e0yFFpO6IHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> If you apply "Keep with next" (and "Keep lines together" if necessary)
>> formatting to several paragraphs, too many to fit on the current page,
>> the entire block will move to the next page. But "Keep with next" should
>> not be regarded as a substitute for "Page break before." Instead, "Keep
>> with next" should be used to keep together paragraphs that should not be
>> separated. That is, you can prevent Word from inserting a page break
>> between two paragraphs, but if you want to force Word to insert a
>> paragraph break at a certain point, then "Keep with next" is not the best
>> way to accomplish it.
>>
>> The principle here is that a page break (either a manual page break or
>> "Page break before" formatting) should be used whenever you absolutely
>> always want a page break (after a cover page, at the end of a TOC, at the
>> beginning of a chapter); "Keep with next" and "Keep lines together"
>> should be used to prevent awkward page breaks as copy is edited and
>> reflows.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>
>> "Andrey Kazak" <AKazak DeleteThis @online.ru> wrote in message
>> news:Ok61i7N6IHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> "but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually
>>> the page
>>> will break...."
>>>
>>> Can you show an example please?
>>>
>>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill DeleteThis @mvps.org> ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌ/ÓÏÏÂÝÉÌÁ × ÎÏ×ÏÓÔÑÈ
>>> ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÅÅ: news:u5iNfXN6IHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> You can't force a page break with a single "Keep with next" paragraph,
>>>> but if you apply the formatting to more than one paragraph, eventually
>>>> the page will break. Heading styles 1-4 are by default formatted as KWN
>>>> so they'll stay with following text, and often that's all you need. If
>>>> you want a given heading always to begin a new page, you can format it
>>>> as "Page break before"; though I don't know what implications that has
>>>> for the Document Map, it certainly forestalls other problems (such as a
>>>> paragraph on the previous page inheriting shading from the heading
>>>> style).
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>>> Words into Type
>>>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>>>
>>>> "Andrey Kazak" <AKazak DeleteThis @online.ru> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23RoR6hI6IHA.4900@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Greetings!
>>>>>
>>>>> I've read http://www.shaunakelly.com/word/documentmap/index.html >>>>> document and cannot figure out a point:
>>>>> ___
>>>>> Document Map won't show numbering on a heading that immediately
>>>>> follows a hard page break. ... better, use the "Keep with Next"
>>>>> setting to keep the paragraph on the same page as the next paragraph.
>>>>> Or, better still, format your document using styles that have been
>>>>> modified with an appropriate "Keep with next" setting.
>>>>> ___
>>>>>
>>>>> What does the latter mean?
>>>>> How can I have a page break by using "Keep with Next" setting?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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